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Another great chapter. I'm surprised how much The Republic works as a self help or a personal moral ethics book, it's not what I expected going in and it's what stood out to me in the arguments about justice in the first chapter.

It's amazing how little I got from watching 10-20 minute videos about The Republic over the years, the book really is a lot more than it's summary or most famous ideas.

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Several lines in here about relying on Reason for self-governance really brought it all together for me. Reason is the only way to make sense of our own sensory pleasures. It takes us from "stomach hurt, stomach need food, put food in mouth, stomach happy now" to well-structured and planned meals with goals in mind. Reason is what can create medium- and long-term goals in the first place. Floating along with each fleeting sensory desire (or the fleeting interests of the mob, were this to be a city) is just that - floating and entirely undeliberate without any intention to speak of. It is a life of response, not one of calling.

It's the only way by which we have systems of any kind. There is a previous book wherein Socrates discusses that we don't study astronomy simply to say "wow look at pretty shiny stars in sky how nice" but rather to identify the systems of the universe. What is orbit, gravity, etc? Everything leads us to the forms, which are of course only identifiable via Reason, contemplation, whatever you want to call it.

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