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Michelle's avatar

I haven’t read the chapter but a thought on the extended metaphor for self-governance…

I’m reading the Human Condition concurrently, having missed that read along, and something that’s been bothering me all along is how Plato’s ideal city entirely lacks a polis. As I understand Arendt’s analysis, things of necessity are private/household concerns. Plato has constructed a city that is entirely necessity-oriented and has no public life of any kind.

You could interpret this as another consequence of tyranny. But maybe it is further indication that this is meant as an extended metaphor for an individual life. There is no polis because there is no public.

Edited: that said, I’m not entirely sure we should look for ways to give credit to Plato. He may have just been describing a horrible political philosophy, and we are searching for ways to justify the continued inclusion of the Republic within the Canon. Maybe because I’m an outsider to philosophy it’s easier for me to say this but: ideas don’t have to be good or remain relevant just because they have historical weight.

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Wayne Wylupski's avatar

After reading Jared's comments on this chapter and reflecting on the reading, it occurs to me that the book so far could be Plato's answer to the unspoken question: "What use is a philospher to society?" I can see that to answer it, Plato had to build an ideal society in order to properly place the philospher.

What use is a philosopher to a society today? I haven't given it as rigorous a thought as Plato, but so far I feel it's for similar reasons: to properly lead society, maybe not in governing, but maybe in its moral and ethical issues.

As an aside, what happens to philosophers that fail the rigid tests for ruling? Do they teach? Do they teach gym?

I'm greatly looking forward to the Parable of the Cave. I hope I can understand it to the point where I can explain to others, if not to excite them to read it.

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