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joseph allen byrd's avatar

I would like to thank you for introducing me to Frankfurt on Bullshit after watching ayour video on Nebula. I immediately ordered a copy after listening to it, then it inspired me to write an article? (a Paper? I don't know) within a couple days. I have been championing it and annoying everybody trying to get them to read when ever I can.

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Samuel Virgo's avatar

In The Apology, Socrates distinguishes between two sets of accusers. The first were the many people, including Aristophanes, who had shaped public opinion against him since his youth. The second were individuals like Meletus, who brought the immediate charges against him.

Socrates’ distinction between his accusers parallels Frankfurt’s distinction between bullshitters and liars. The first set of accusers, like Aristophanes, spread misconceptions without concern for truth—much like bullshitters, who are indifferent to accuracy. Public opinion was shaped by these narratives, not through deliberate lies but through careless misrepresentation.

The second set of accusers, like Meletus, were more like liars. They knew the truth about Socrates but deliberately distorted it to secure his conviction. Unlike the bullshitter, who disregards truth entirely, the liar must recognize it in order to subvert it.

Of course, this division is somewhat neat, and in reality, there is overlap but thought it was interesting nonetheless & largely how these sort of things still go nowadays.

Thanks for a great post!

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